Lily kisses and nibbles on Nina's neck and caresses her curves. Lily lays on top of Nina and passionately kisses her and slowly moves down Nina’s body while massaging Nina’s tiny breasts. Black Swan (2010) - Open-ended Trailer for Black Swan, https://blackswan.fandom.com/wiki/Lily?oldid=3950. Lily was real. Lily is "the new girl" and she makes a memorable appearance by coming to dance class late, disrupting Nina's audition for the Black Swan. Then Nina sees herself in Lily’s place. The leading role of the White Swan/Black Swan is a part Nina — like every other ballet dancer before her — has dreamed of performing all her life. I'm totally sold on the idea that head!Lily is around much more than when it's obvious. Ten reasons we ballet dancers hate Black Swan. After dancing together in the club under the effects of ecstacy and alcohol, Nina and Lily take a taxi together to Nina's place. In the beginning of the film, she mainly dresses in white, showing purity and innocence. Real!Lily flirts with her fellow dancers, but head!Lily is in Nina's dressing room. Press J to jump to the feed. Natalie Portman Recalls 'Awkward' Mila Kunis Sex Scene In 'Black Swan' ... as the prima ballerina fights for the coveted lead role in "Swan Lake." Nina drags Lily to her bedroom, where she barricades the door to prevent her mom from entering. she is not an imagination but the things that happened between nina and lily (ex: sex scene, lily killed scene etc) is just nina s illusion because of her anxiety of lily. To Nina, the presence of her mother is preventing her from becoming the Perfect Black Swan. The audience sees Nina physically mutilate herself, a cinematic echo of the real-world issue of cutting. Swan Lake requires a dancer who can play both the White Swan with innocence and grace, and the Black Swan, who represents guile and sensuality. Are there any holes in the theory, though? :DOh, if only these two fell in love....I am back with another video for Black Swan. Black Swan was one of the /Filmcast’s favorite films of the year. The sex scene was just Nina masturbating to an imaginary Lily, which was an important step to her releasing her pent-up repression and becoming more like the black swan. She doesn’t pour her pathos into her dancing (maybe because the actress isn’t a real dancer and doesn’t understand how). One thing that I really liked about this film was the use of color to show changes in the main character. Nina wants to be Lily, as Lily is her role model for the Black Swan. Lily. Over the course of the next several scenes, head!Lily and real!Lily alternate. Head!Lily makes out with Thomas in Nina's vision, while real!Lily gets enraged at Thomas for allowing the very late Nina to still go on as the Swan Queen. They did not have sex. While Natalie Portman gets to be the Swan Queen, Mila Kunis is the one credited with the Black Swan. According to me, everything weird experienced by Nina such as blood everywhere Thomas and Lily making love and Nina and Lily making love wasn't real. She is a new dancer in the ballet company, and represents the opposite of Nina's personality. Underlying these themes is the idea of perfection at any cost and the good girl/bad girl tug-of-war. she is not an imagination but the things that happened between nina and lily (ex: sex scene, lily killed scene etc) is just nina s illusion because of her anxiety of lily. While Nina is perfect for the role of the White Swan, Lily personifies the Black Swan. Lily seems quite different during her next appearance. As Nina breaths heavily Lily gets off her prey, stands up, wipes her mouth and calls her a sweet girl. As rivalry between the two dancers transforms into a twisted friendship, Nina’s dark side begins to emerge and threatens to destroy her. Lily performs a perfect Black Swan, and she immediately becomes her greatest rival. Plus, between the pills, Lily's face turning into dark!Nina's, and Lily's disappearance while Nina sleeps, there's enough evidence to suggest that something was up. Considering how much Nina hallucinated in the film, I was just wondering how much else she could have potentially dreamt up in a less conspicuous way. Lily takes off Nina's shirt while they continue to passionately kiss. However, it's very clear that she and Nina share romantic and sexual attraction between each other. Next Video. Nina immediately feels threatened by Lily, knowing instinctively, that she has everything necessary to play the part of the black swan. Nina is afraid that Lily, who is more in touch with her base instincts, is better at the role of the Black Swan, which is all about the id. But that's not how she turns up in Heyman's draft. Uploaded 12/30/2011. Nina moans loudly as Lily begins to eat her vagina. fans 64 rating 9.3 /10 (18 users) rate her fan fan About Her . So it’s likely that Nina imagined Lily and Thomas together because it helps her imagine herself and Thomas together. Lily was real, but after a certain point - when they leave the bar together - Nina began to imagine her coming along when in reality Lily went home with one of the other guys. Lily has proven herself to be one of the best dancers in her prestigious company, though she’s consistently been turned down for the biggest parts. In 2010 Black Swan, and Oscar-winning film, brought the dark and controversial topic of mental illness to the nation’s attention. Originally Answered: In Black Swan, was Lily really out to undermine Nina and take her role? Slowly, day by grueling day, the shadows cast by the Black Swan envelop the new prima ballerina’s soul. The two Nina’s fight and cause the mirror on the wall to break. Movie trailer for 'Black Swan.' The Black Swan directed by Darren Aronofsky uses many different ways to produce a certain feeling. The doppelgänger throws a pillow over Nina’s face and she passes out. Cool theory. I believe Lily exists in her first appearance, in the scene when she enters the dance studio, is introduced by Thomas, and loudly slams the door. NEXT VIDEO Girl In … It is possible that she didn't bleed so badly until the last act because she didn't pull the piece of glass out until after her role as black swan.only When lily came to congratulate her on her success as the white swan did she come to the realization that she had stabbed herself, and then removed the small piece of glass remaining in her torso. I though the fact that she wasn't there was part of the movie? Black Swan is a haunting film about a young ballerina, Nina--played by Natalie Portman--who is attempting to deal with increasing levels of stress and the pressure to perform. Around the midpoint of Black Swan, a movie that I love because it's pants-crappingly amazing and off-kilter, it's clearly established that Nina (Natalie Portman) is able to hallucinate several hours' worth of false memories that heavily involve Mila Kunis's character, Lily—as well as various other graphic and violent images that would make even Rorschach blush. I hope it hasn't been written here before! It’s part of her growing sexuality, while also being part of the fear and fragility she needs as the White Swan. Nina rushes out of the apartment, and who does she find but Lily, who has appeared with uncanny timing after getting Nina's address from Thomas's secretary? But that's not how she turns up in Heyman's draft. Beth's death in Black Swan. Nina has a female nemesis, but that turns out to be less her sexy, confident frenemy Lily (Mila Kunis) than her own alter ego. Lily (portrayed by Mila Kunis) is the deuteragonist of the film, and Nina's rival and lover. There, she doesn't arrive until p. 33 - arriving after Nina got the role of the Swan Queen. Imaginary-Lily suggests that she should do the Black Swan as Nina will not be able to. She does not interact with others except as perceived in Nina's mind. And when Nina runs out, she sees the file in her own bloody hands. With Nina's consciousness already beginning to splinter in half, and with no one else in the bathroom to acknowledge Lily's existence, I think that this is the first instance of head!Lily. Then she starts to scream as Lily devours her. Lily licks Nina’s thigh and forcefully spreads her legs. New comments cannot be posted and votes cannot be cast, More posts from the FanTheories community. Natalie Portman Recalls 'Awkward' Mila Kunis Sex Scene In 'Black Swan' ... as the prima ballerina fights for the coveted lead role in "Swan Lake." Idk man it seems a lot of this is just "no one else interacts with her so she must be imaginary!". Before taking on the role of Lily in Black Swan, Mila Kunis had never really danced. Lily is all too real in the next scene at the ballet studio, visibly interacting with other dancers during rehearsal and showing utter confusion at Nina's suggestion that they were together the previous night. An opportunity to break out of the pack and become a principal dancer arises when the company decides to perform "Swan Lake." Black Swan is a 2010 Darren Aronofsky film. In the back of the cab, Lily pokes Nina's leg to call for her attention and their eyes meet, with obvious sexual tension between them. Whether head!Lily is there for the entirety of Nina's night out I still haven't quite figured out, but I don't think that Nina's line, "I was with two guys named Tom and Jerry and I f–––ed them both," is at all a coincidence. Tags: wtf sexy news animals mila kunis and natalie portman lesbian scene. But Nina has competition: a new dancer, Lily (Kunis), who impresses Leroy as well. In Black Swan, when Nina visits the previous main dancer, Beth, in hospital, she stabs her face with the nail file, but then Nina sees herself in her. The tattoo on Lily’s back springs to life, her inked bird wings flapping like real ones. Lily hugs Nina before Nina completely closes the door. The next time that Nina is visibly emotional in the theater, which comes after a failed seduction attempt with Thomas, Lily again appears alone, seemingly out of nowhere, and taunts Nina about having a crush on Thomas. Imaginary-Lily then transforms into a Dark-Nina. Soon, Nina doesn’t see Lily at all, but only herself, as the Black Swan projects onto Lily. This is a place for fans of various creative works to share theories, interpretations and speculation related to that particular creative work. She doesn’t pour her pathos into her dancing (maybe because the actress isn’t a real dancer and doesn’t understand how). She is a new dancer in the ballet company, and represents the opposite of Nina's personality. How real!Lily learned that Nina was having emotional problems is left open for interpretation—Lily could've easily just seen Nina crying, and Nina hallucinated the rest—but the stark difference in Lily's behavior from one scene to the next all but shows that one is real and the other is not. She extends her long tongue into Nina’s vagina. That's why she externalizes her own id to Lily, imagining having sex with her, and fears Lily is trying to steal the role of the Black Swan from her. Lily pulls of Nina’s pants, throws her prey onto the bed, pulls off Nina’s panties and throws them into the corner of the room. The black swan of the movie, the evil twin, would be the ballerina who looks shockingly similar to Nina – Lily. Black Swan Wiki is a FANDOM Movies Community. Nina then rushes to Lily and starts passionately french kissing with her. Lily’s tongue enters her prey’s vagina again and she places her mouth on it. It's a seesaw of wills that knocks Nina off-balance mentally, if not physically. Because Lily's behavior has returned to the vague flirtatiousness of earlier, and because Nina is the only person to directly acknowledge Lily's existence, this has to be head!Lily. And when Nina runs out, she sees the file in her own bloody hands. Watch in 720 HD! Take your favorite fandoms with you and never miss a beat. The next time we see Lily, Nina has already won the role of the Swan Queen. She’s timid. She spends most of her day with a panic-stricken expression. It was Nina's mere imagination. 300px Lily (portrayed by Mila Kunis) is the deuteragonist of the film, and Nina's rival and lover. She’s timid. Lily (Mila Kunis) in "Black Swan" is only real in in half a dozen scenes. Nina is distrustful of Lily… Lily is "the new girl" and she makes a memorable appearance by coming to dance class late, disrupting Nina's audition for the Black Swan. I've been wondering, however, if the encounter in Nina's bedroom and the dressing room stabbing are only two of the many, many scenes in the film in which Lily was not in fact present except in Nina's mind. Lily (Mina Kunis). There's a knock at Nina's apartment door that night [immediately following a heated exchange between Nina and her mother, Erica (Barbara Hershey)], and after Erica answers the door, she alleges that there was no one there, refusing to say who it really was. Our Favorite Quotes: 'Perfection is not just about control. She also competes with Nina for the role of the Swan Queen. There, she doesn't arrive until p. 33 - arriving after Nina got the role of the Swan Queen. And whether or not it is real or just a part of the psychotic breakdown, it is Lily who seduces the director and the actual male dancer who is playing the role of the prince. Living… in Manhattan, at the center of New York’s elite ballet world. The normally beguiling Lily is suddenly softer and apprehensive, leading the audience to believe that she is two-faced, changing her behavior based on whether other people are around. However, before climaxing, she stops Lily and just holds her hand likely not wanting to climax in the car. Press question mark to learn the rest of the keyboard shortcuts. Good Girl/Bad Girl Themes in 'Black Swan'. Personally, I do not think that Lily was a real person. Zero confidence on her face, in her body language. In this scene, set in a bathroom, Lily removes her underwear, congratulates Nina on the role, and acts vaguely flirtatious. She spends most of her day with a panic-stricken expression. The question is, is Beth really stabbed? Black Swan. And through the act of sex, Nina finally lets the Black Swan out. One can view the movie and see Lily as a projection of Nina's "black swan" self -- her id to to Nina's ego (or superego). 2. But in fact, this is the real Lily who is speaking. Good Lord is it a Darren Aronofsky film.. After years of working in the background, Ballet dancer Nina Sayers (Natalie Portman) has the chance to become the star of her troupe in a production of Swan Lake.But competition emerges in Lily (), who is charming the director Thomas Leroy (Vincent Cassel).Soon, things start getting weird. Nina becomes aroused and enjoys, as Lily continues to caress her crotch. Nina fits the White Swan role perfectly but Lily is the personification of the Black Swan. In Black Swan, when Nina visits the previous main dancer, Beth, in hospital, she stabs her face with the nail file, but then Nina sees herself in her. 'Black Swan's ' psychological spin ... including violent and erotic hallucinations involving her competitor Lily (Mila Kunis). WITH: Natalie Portman (Nina Sayers/the Swan Queen), Vincent Cassel (Thomas Leroy/the Gentleman), Mila Kunis (Lily/the Black Swan), Barbara Hershey … And through the act of sex, Nina finally lets the Black Swan out. She retorted, “I don’t think we could have done that scene if we were intoxicated.”. Much like in A Beautiful Mind and Fight Club, in which characters who have limited interactions with people other than the protagonist turn out to be imaginary, I think that Lily truly exists only in a handful of scenes in Black Swan. Nina then turns around and looks at Lily, locking their eyes with even more sexual hunger than before. 1) Nina is a wimp. The question is, is Beth really stabbed? She also competes with Nina for the role of the Swan Queen. Ten reasons we ballet dancers hate Black Swan. The next sequence involving Lily is perhaps the most telltale sign that head!Lily is a thing. Eh, it's just a theory. Black Swan was one of the /Filmcast’s favorite films of the year. Although internet rumors claimed that Kunis and Portman had to get drunk to film that scene, Kunis denied it. Before taking on the role of Lily in Black Swan, Mila Kunis had never really danced. WITH: Natalie Portman (Nina Sayers/the Swan Queen), Vincent Cassel (Thomas Leroy/the Gentleman), Mila Kunis (Lily/the Black Swan), Barbara Hershey … I'd like to improve it as necessary, if indeed the theory merits improvement. Nina removes Lily’s pants shoves her on the bed and then removes Lily’s shirt as Lily giggles. Lily may be real as well in her next scene with Nina, in which Lily reveals that Thomas made her the standby for the Swan Queen. Erica pokes her head into the hall twice to tell Nina to come back inside, and during her admonishments, she barely acknowledges Lily and doesn't even use Lily's name. Beth's death in Black Swan. Not a perfect theory, but what do you think? Giggle alert: the infamous sex scene between Mila Kunis and Natalie Portman transpires at the 69-minute mark. However, she has competition in newcomer Lily (Mila Kunis). Soon, Nina doesn’t see Lily at all, but only herself, as the Black Swan projects onto Lily. The two of them stay that way, with Lily giggling over it and Nina calmly looks over the window. The tattoo on Lily’s back springs to life, her inked bird wings flapping like real ones. Her arrival is clearly enough to make Nina's performance suffer in that scene alone, and I think that that's just the tip of the iceberg. it was all because of her ambition to be the first role in the swan lake recital. Dec. 20, 2010— -- Black Swan , a new psycho-drama anchored in the competitive world of ballet, is getting as much analysis on the psychiatrist's couch as … Is Lily the Black Swan? After they arrive to Nina's home, Nina and her mother have a frigid discussion. In the ending credits of the film, every actor is credited not just with their role in the film, but also their counterparts in Swan Lake itself. Though Nina gets the nod for the ballet’s lead, Lily is never far away—whether as a confidant, a rival, a provocateur, a lover or a kind of lurking doppelgänger, Nina’s never quite sure. 1) Nina is a wimp. She comes on the scene as a whir of precocious, natural talent at ease with her sensual self. Autoplay On. In both of these scenes, Lily is a near-physical manifestation of the growing duality inside Nina's mind, specifically of the persona that will allow her to portray the Black Swan. Lily raises her head, Nina briefly sees herself and sits up panicking. i think lily is real. Zero confidence on her face, in her body language. i think lily is real. 3.3K views Lily gently shushes Nina and kisses her on the mouth before licking her stomach on her way back down. Welcome to /r/FanTheories! Black Swan's use of mirrors and doubles, not just in Nina's hallucinations but also in the use of Swan Lake as the movie's central ballet, keeps us wondering which Nina is real … Black Swan. Having heard from Thomas that Lily had expressed concerns about Nina's health, Nina confronts Lily in the dressing room. In her final two scenes, real!Lily is there, congratulating Nina for her performance and gasping at Nina lying on the mattress below stage level. Moreover, her encounter with beth was imaginary. Lily then proceeds to move her hand under Nina's pants and gently rubs her crotch. 1. Nina gets more conflicted with herself as she turns her anger toward a newcomer Lily (Mila Kunis), her main rival for the role as Black/White Swan. Title says it all. It’s basically a battle between the personalities of the Black-Swan and White-Swan in Nina’s head. Manhattan, at the center of new York ’ s back springs to life, inked... 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